September 1998: The Jinenkan in America : An Interview with
Shawn Havens
by Eric Baluja
Shawn Havens has spent over 16 of his 32 years in the pursuit of martial arts
knowledge. Now, you have to understand exactly what I mean by pursuit,
especially in Mr. Havens case.
These days, the pursuit of martial arts knowledge for many means an hour of
Cardio-Karate at the gym. Others take the extra step of trekking to the
nearest Gimi Sum Do Training Hall/Gym/Juice Bar two or three hours out of the
week in search of a workout, self-esteem (by way of a black belt guaranteed in
18 months: Mark your calendars!) and/or, regrettably, self-defense.
Even for people involved in the martial arts we (purport to) study, sometimes
the pursuit causes them no greater effort than to put on their gi and black belt
a few times a week, trot out the Shidoshi license they were granted years ago
(which they havent felt the need to earn by training any time since), and
instruct their students in their vision of the centuries-old martial arts they
allege to have mastered in less than ten years.
For Mr. Havens, the pursuit of martial arts knowledge has meant sweat,
self-sacrifice, and intense, consistent, constant study. As a teen, his pursuit
took him across the country. As an adult, he has faced having to relearn many
skills, unlearn many habits, and constantly reevaluate where he is and where he
wants to go. Despite the turmoil that one would imagine having to start over
might produce, he has demonstrated what nin actually means, and has gone on to
become a very strong teacher and skilled practitioner. He is wholly committed
to the Ryu-ha he is studying, and to the man who is willing to share with him
everything he learned about those Ryu-ha in almost four decades of intense,
consistent, daily study as Hatsumi-senseis most senior student: Lt. Col. Fumio
Manaka, founder and Kancho (director) of the Jissen Kobudo Jinenkan. Unsui
Sensei (as Mr. Manaka is also referred to) has awarded Mr. Havens the rank of
sandan, as well as the honor and responsibility of being the first Jinenkan Dojo
Cho in the world.
Mr. Havens is employed as a Paramedic by the Dayton Fire Department and heads
the Jinenkan Dayton Dojo. He can be reached at WshawnH@aol.com;
and jinenkan-dayton.com.
The Jissen Kobudo Jinenkan Dojo Website can be
found at: www.chiba-net.or.jp/~manaka/.
Training
Ura & Omote: Did you have any previous martial arts training experience when you
began studying ninpo?
Shawn Havens: Yes, when I was about 11 or 12 I began taking Tae Kwon Do lessons
in Florida. This lasted about one year.
U&O: What drew you to the martial arts?
SH: Its hard to say specifically. Ive always been interested in the martial
arts and knew that it would be an important part of my life from a very young
age. Maybe it was because I had two older brothers who smacked me around a lot.
U&O: How did you first hear about ninpo?
SH: I read an article in a martial arts magazine that was comparing styles, how
each might handle the same situation. Then I purchased a book on Ninjutsu that
was a combination of interviews with people who were claiming to be ninja in the
US. It also had fictional stories about historic ninja and their deeds. After
my interest was peaked, I began writing to Stephen K. Hayes about the
possibility of training in Ohio.
U&O: How old were you when you began?
SH: I moved to Dayton as an emancipated minor to train in the late spring of
1982, when I was sixteen. It was just before Hatsumi Senseis first visit to
the US.
U&O: What drew you to ninpo?
SH: Well to be honest, it just looked so cool. Climbing trees, stealth,
fighting skills, swords... a teenagers dream.
U&O: When you began training, what was your biggest obstacle?
SH: As for the actual study, just the fact that I didnt know anything. I
wanted to learn everything right away. I took time to find the right pace.

Seigi
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Yuki
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U&O: What is the most significant change youve noticed in yourself since
beginning your study?
SH: I work everyday at applying seigi and yuki. Seigi means correct spirit
and is often translated as justice. I think of it as having a just and
righteous heart. Yuki means bold spirit and is often translated as guts.
First I have to be thoughtful and wise to recognize what is right and fair.
Then, I have to have the courage to do it. These are considered two of the
primary traits of a Japanese martial artist.
U&O: Why did you choose to stick it out and continue training for as long as you
have? What is it about your current training that keeps you going?
SH: Ive never considered quitting. I enjoy it too much, especially now that I
have such a wonderful teacher. My time training with him is always of benefit
to me. I am well aware of how much I have yet to learn, and I trust him
completely to teach me those things.
U&O: What do you find your biggest training obstacle is now?
SH: Having enough time to honor all the material Sensei is giving me to work on.
U&O: I understand that at some point you were accepted as a personal student by
Manaka-sensei. When and how did this occur?
SH: I had, in my heart, been Unsui Senseis student for quite a long time, since
around 1986. When I first saw him move I just knew that was it. His taijutsu
was so clear, so clean. There is a beauty in the simplicity of his approach.
To be good enough to accomplish safely in one movement what would take someone
else three movements to do is a very high level of skill and takes a lot of
practice. To make a technique look simple and easy when there are so many small
things to be aware of and to do correctly is a true sign of mastery.
Anyway, when I first began patterning my training after him, he made it clear
that he didnt have a dojo or students. I accepted that I would have to be
patient. He told me that someday he would retire and move to the U.S.. At that
time, he said, he would probably have a dojo and students. I said to him that
when that time came, I would be his first student.
In 1994 he came to my dojo to teach a seminar. I knew I would formally ask him
to be my teacher at that time. I had all sorts of things in mind to say if he
were to reply that it wasnt time yet. When I asked, he simply said, Of
course. I am very grateful for all the assistance and instruction he offers
me.
U&O: Why did you choose to take that step?
SH: As I said, I had been doing everything I could to follow his lead for eight
years by that time, so it was the natural next step for me. I had known for a
long time that, if at all possible, it would eventually happen.
U&O: Are you able to go to Japan to train with Manaka-sensei often?
SH: Actually no. Sensei has been spending his vacation or holidays in the US
every year since about 1986. There was only one time that I couldnt train with
him when he was in the States. In 1992, I was hired as a Paramedic by the
Dayton Fire Department. I had no vacation accumulated and I was still on
probation. I would have put my job at risk if I had attended his seminar. I
almost went anyway.
U&O: Do you think it is important, for those who are able, to seek to train with
Manaka-sensei?
SH: Of course, anyone that can live in Japan and study with him for an extended
period of time should (in my opinion) do that. For myself, my time will come
when he retires from the military and moves here. I will move to wherever he is
and study under his guidance.
U&O: Will you maintain the Jinenkan Dayton Dojo?
SH: I have a strong group of students, several of whom will be able to maintain
the Dojo, although it is possible that the location may change.
U&O: Do you have a daily training routine, i.e., techniques and/or skills you
practice every day?
SH: If I am not at work, I try to get into the dojo for one or two hours. I
practice some basic skills and currently I am concentrating on boujutsu. I
cant always make time to get into the dojo, so then I study Senseis articles
and videotapes. If I am at work, I try to practice my awareness of potential
dangers and modify my behavior to be both safe and to fulfill my obligation to
my patients. This can be much more difficult than it sounds. I think people
involved in EMS work or police work understand.

Mu
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U&O: Whats the focus of your personal training right now? What are you working
towards?
SH: Sensei has advised me to concentrate on developing the mental state of Mu
(emptiness). I have only scratched the surface of this state. I can tell you,
though, that when you stand beneath the opponents raised sword, there is no
room for distracting thoughts or fear.
U&O: Of all your training experiences, which do you think has had the greatest
impact on your personal development?
SH: Soon after Unsui Sensei began the Jinenkan, he came to Dayton and gave a
private training session on the very basic skills just prior to his seminar.
Thats when I realized that I knew nothing. I took off the black belt I had
been wearing. I felt wonderful and terrible at the same time.
The Martial Arts Today
U&O: It seems that some of those that set themselves up as teachers and dojo
business owners sometimes neglect their own training. What is your feeling
about this situation?
SH: Of course that can be very true. It can be very difficult to be a teacher,
often defeating for some. A Dojo Cho has to first honor his or her own
direction and training. If you fail to lead your dojo by virtue of your own
skills and knowledge, it will eventually defeat you, even if it is a financial
success.
U&O: Do you believe hard training, i.e., training that involves a certain
degree of discomfort or pain, is important? What do you think one can learn
from training in this way?
SH: Actually, I dont think of hard training as having that much to do with
pain. The most difficult pain for many is that caused by the ego. For example,
the pain and fear of looking bad in front of other students or of admitting to
yourself and others that there are things you dont know, skills you havent
mastered and need to practice. This goes back to your earlier question on the
difficulties of being a teacher. Everyone struggles with it though. If your
heart is right, you can see that it is a wonderful and freeing thing to admit
your weaknesses so that you can overcome them.
As to the physical pain, of course there is going to be some of that! As time
passes, it tends to register more as discomfort. Mainly it is important to
avoid injury. We all have to work at knowing our skills and those of our
training partners so that injury is avoided. A good way to do this is to begin
by training slowly, communicating to your partner as you progress from
discomfort to pain and have a sense of when injury is likely to occur. By
practicing this way, both of you can understand how the technique actually
works, where and how it becomes dangerous, and what the ukemi needs to be while
keeping training safe.
Most of the time, however, training is a lot of fun and pain or discomfort are
really not overriding issues.
U&O: One of the recent trends in martial arts in general is the proliferation of
instructional books and videos. What do you think about the use of such
materials?
SH: The primary element to your training is to have an excellent teacher and to
honor what you are taught by that person. Practice it as carefully as you can.
Practice it until you cant stand up anymore. Videotapes, books, and articles
can be a very beneficial adjunct, but they are never primary. If they are all
you have, however, its better than nothing. Every situation is different.
U&O: What do you think about attempts to modernize or Westernize this art?
SH: The essential teachings are not about Eastern or Western styles or about
traditional or modern approaches. They are well above such concerns. The
Ryu-ha were written by Budo masters to give sincere students a guide for the
shortest possible route from novice to expert. It is expected that once you are
an expert, you will think of what you have learned in new ways and begin to
apply it to modern times or your particular situation. Of course, you have to
master these skills first, then expand and rethink what you have mastered, based
on the lessons the Ryu-ha contain. After those two steps are accomplished, you
are free to invent. This process takes an entire lifetime; it is not something
you can accomplish in only a few years.
Its a matter of honestly recognizing where you are in that process. If
teachers change the meaning or lessons of the Ryu-ha before they are experts,
then what they teach comes only from them and their ideas. In this case, they
are no longer studying this art. Their teachings should be given a different
name.

Shu
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The first stage of training is called Shu, which means to preserve and
follow the teachings of the Ryu-ha. You could think of preserving these
teachings for yourself and your students, as well as preserving them from
yourself and your students. When you interpret prematurely, you turn your back
on the lineage and so for you, it dies. Therefore, we all must preserve them
from our natural tendency to question the applicability of the lineages before
we truly understand them.
Ive given deep thought to the idea of Shu because it is the stage of training
I am currently in.
Jissen Kobudo Jinenkan
U&O: What do you see as being the purpose of the Jissen Kobudo Jinenkan?
SH: In my mind, the sole purpose of the organization is to facilitate training
with Unsui Sensei.
U&O: One general impression of the Jinenkan and its purpose is that it was, at
least in part, created to disseminate the teachings of the individual ryu-ha in
a more conventional manner, i.e., in a manner more in keeping with the way
koryu bujutsu [classical martial arts traditions, one general name for the
Japanese martial arts originating prior to 1868 - Ed. Note] are taught in Japan.
Do you see this as part of the Jinenkans purpose?
SH: Actually, I would prefer to hear Sensei answer that question. Sensei
teaches according to the tenets of each Ryu-ha. He passes the knowledge on in a
very clear and thorough manner. Each Ryu-ha has its own characteristics; ideas
that guide the kamae, the level of the kata (shoden, chuden, okuden, etc.), and
each kata in particular. Without these ideas, my practice would be about hollow
techniques. By honoring these aspects of the Ryu-ha Sensei teaches, we each
have a fair and equal chance of truly understanding what we are studying.
These guiding ideas are natural, that is, they are forever. When you practice
kihon, you learn what you need in order to perform henka. When you practice
Happobiken, you can understand firearms. I guess what Im saying is that the
advancement of time and weaponry make careful study of the ideas behind each
Ryu-ha all the more important to understand correctly. These ideas will guide
you through any changes. If you study without really trying to understand the
Ryu-ha, then it is like making it up as you go along.
U&O: What is expected of Jinenkan members? What do you see as being their
responsibility to the dojo and organization?
SH: My suggestion to Jinenkan members is to honor and preserve that which they
have been taught by Unsui Sensei and to make every effort to train under his
direct guidance whenever possible. Dojo members should also have confidence in
their instructors, train regularly, and seek to make improvements. Also,
maintain good relations with people who have chosen different paths. Remember:
there is a difference between exchanging ideas in an open and thoughtful way and
becoming argumentative. Choosing your own path doesnt mean becoming blind to
the world around you or being reckless in your behavior.
Teaching
U&O: What is the focus of your teaching activities right now?
SH: To simultaneously maintain and improve my students basics and to teach what
I am given by Sensei as accurately as I possibly can.
U&O: In the Jinenkan Dayton Dojo, do you actively practice or encourage the
practice of some type of meditation method?
SH: Sensei gave me a couple of meditation methods that he feels are important.
I passed these along to the students to practice at home. It is not necessary
to do them in the dojo. You could call the understanding of the ideas and
feelings behind the kamae and kata a kind of meditation. We practice these
regularly in class.
U&O: Ive noticed that you seem to have stepped up your seminar activity this
year. Is there a particular reason for that?
SH: Mainly just because people are very interested in the Jinenkan and are
requesting my instruction more now.
U&O: What is the basis of the Jinenkan Dayton Dojo curriculum?
SH: The basics are the lineages of Jinen Ryu, Gyokko Ryu, Koto Ryu, Togakure
Ryu, Kukishin Ryu, Takagi Yoshin Ryu, and Shindenfudo Ryu. Every class begins
with the Gogyo no kata, followed by the kihon happo, and then kata in taijutsu
and/or weapons, as well as ukemi practice, henka or kaeshi waza. In the
intermediate class we practice randori as well.
U&O: You emphasize the basics in your training. Can you explain what this
kind of training entails?
SH: It all begins with being able to understand and perform an essential skill
repeatedly in the correct way. Basics are the building blocks of this art.
Without knowing how to do them correctly, we cannot be confident with any of our
movements in training. They are not simply warm-ups at the beginning of class
or the techniques that you learn when you first begin training; they are the
entire structure upon which training is built. You are teaching your body how
to be correct, strong, and stable in its most fundamental movements. Therefore,
we should practice them consistently and in a concentrated manner if we want to
progress in our training.
So, first we begin with learning the physical movement of the basic form, its
purpose and meaning. If you perform each piece of the basic thoughtfully and
carefully, you will learn that they have distinct purposes and lessons that can
be applied within every other technique in training. Each time you perform the
basics, think about the utility of your movement, why the scrolls tell you to
move a certain way, how to make sure that you are strong at any given moment.
From there, you can move on to understanding the flow and timing of the
technique: How to vary it according to the changes or resistance your opponent
gives you, how to perform the basic idea of the skills spontaneously, how to
counter the techniques if they were applied to you.
Really training in the basics covers a rather large number of types of practice,
not simply the kihon waza and ukemi. Sometimes it is misunderstood that
learning to vary the techniques means you have entered the second stage of
training called Ha (To vary the form). But this is not the case. Learning to
vary the basics is still well within the first stage (Shu) of training. Its
a part of knowing the basics forward and backward.
U&O: What is the core lesson, if you could name one, that you want your students
to learn?
SH: To honor the path they have chosen, while keeping their eyes and mind wide
open.
U&O: What are your personal hopes for the future of the Jinenkan in America?
SH: That the organization grows slowly and steadily, as it already is. That
everyone within it appreciates what they are being offered with the same
sincerity with which it is being offered.
Jinenkan Dayton Dojo Information and Schedule
Class Schedule:
Mondays: Intermediate Class 7-9 PM (By invitation only, please contact Dojo Cho
Shawn Havens)
Wednesdays: Open to all levels 7-9 PM
Thursdays: Open to all levels 7-9 PM
Upcoming Seminars
FALL SEMINAR WITH MANAKA SENSEI
October 3-5 - Kukishin Ryu Kodachi and Togakure Ryu Biken
Holiday Inn Conference Center-Fairborn, Dayton, OH
Contact Dojo Cho Shawn Havens for more information and to register
Eric Baluja is a student of Shidoshi-ho Hannibal Serrano at Hô Shin Dojo in New
York City. He thanks Mr. Havens for his willingness to be pestered and enduring
his ignorance. Eric, still working at not sucking, can be reached at
ceb@nyc.dol-esa.gov,
hoshin.dojo@usa.net,
and http://www.tappedin.com/hoshin.
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